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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby riptidenj » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:06 pm

The US military has gone overboard on medals since Vietnam ended and that greatly cheapens them IMHO. On another board I visit one Vietnam veteran said any medals from that conflict awarded to anyone above the rank of 1st Lieutenant are suspect, so many generals in that conflict received the Distinguished Service Medal that it became know as the Generals Good Conduct Medal. It was a considerable source of embarrassment when Samuel Koster had to be stripped of his DSM for his role in covering up My Lai-he was the commande of the Americal Division at the time.
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby DuncaninFrance » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:33 am

Like em :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

Quartermasters in the British Army can be awarded the OBE, Order of the British Empire but it is always changed to Other Buggers Efforts by those who know better :roll:
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby Aughnanure » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:34 pm

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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby Niner » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Can you imagine working at some job for a pretty good while and wanting a raise or promotion and your boss and his boss get to talking and after figuring out there is no open spot for promotion unless they want to fire one of the owners useless relatives, which they can't do, and they darn sure don't want to give you a raise in pay....and they think... "I know, lets give him a medal with a bit of ribbon. That's the ticket. All the other wage slaves will be want one too. Throw in a certificate saying what a swell guy he is and what a hard worker. Can't cost much to make up a batch of these things. " Now how do you think that would play?
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Re: Medals too heavy?

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:00 am



Not the sort of thing a grunt wants to see from is commander me thinks :loco: :loco:
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby Niner » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:07 am

I saw that....if McCain wasn't so windy he wouldn't have put the general to sleep.

I noticed the medals. Guy couldn't get another two or three without them running over his shoulder and down his back.

One thing about medals, in the US anyway, is they are put on in order of rank. The more significant the medal the closer to the top. Now, that being said, most of these showboat displays have ribbons that do not rank as high as the run of the mill ones that privates get pretty regular. If I remember right the general's bronze star, V device admittedly, ranked in the second or third row from the top, real close to his air medal, arcom and good conduct medal which would have been not too far behind it, all medals that ordinary soldiers often get awarded. Must of been half a dozen rows of been there medals below the "average" medals.

By the way, why does Britain still have a "Royal" family? Just show isn't it? At least this general is a "real" general. All that fruit salad is in the same line as a lot of pomp and pageantry with figurehead monarchs seems to me. Only this guy is expected to really do something once in a while. :D


Also by the way: "Petraeus was born in Cornwall-on-Hudson, New York, the son of Miriam and Sixtus Petraeus. His mother was an American citizen and his father was a sea captain who had immigrated to the United States from the Netherlands during the initial phase of World War II."

After further study ....I'm bored and can't go fishing today thanks to BP.... I found that the significant awards he has are these:
Defense Distinguished Service Medal (2)
Army Distinguished Service Medal (2)
Defense Superior Service Medal (2)
Legion of Merit (4)
Bronze Star with Valor V
Defense Meritorious Service Medal

He was wounded once..no purple heart. Shot by a unintended rifle discharge while observing some training exercise.

He was too late for Vietnam by the time he got out of West Point, so Bronze with V a pretty low valor award for a field grade officer even though he served as a division commander in attack on Baghdad....not enough chance to build that slot I guess. Strange no mention of an Air Medal.
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:22 pm

Honestly, just looking at that picture says it all for me - just a lot of coloured clutter which means naff all!

My father served through the whole of the Second World War and at the end didn't bother to apply for his campaign medals. He said that he knew where he had served and that was good enough for him.
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby riptidenj » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:34 pm

As Anthony Herbert said in his excellent book Soldier, "There's nothing like a chest full of ribbons and the old war record when the promotion board meets.." and one reason why Vietnam was the bloody fiasco it turned out to be was because, as one USArmy general put it "Too many brigade and battalion commanders were simply trying to punch their tickets instead of actually lead."
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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby Aughnanure » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:18 am

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Re: Wearing non-entitled medals

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:30 pm

LITTLE SHIT!
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