Since the WWI threads are really active. A look at the weapons
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The Turks were shooting 8mm Mausers with the same version of 8mm ammo as the Germans. They had bought them on contract long before the war began so the Germans weren't subsidizing them. The Turk rifles in use came in different configurations. The 1893 model I own has a shorter bolt and is cock on closing in design. The 1903 has a longer bolt and is cock on opening. Without close examination they look the same. They have internal magazines and are very much the counterpart of the German issue rifle ...except for having a conventional flat sight instead of the roller coaster German version.
These earlier Turk Mausers, as opposed to those made in the 30's, had a noticable v indentation on the bolt entry side of the rifle ring. Made for an easier load of what must have been slightly longer overall length caused by a longer bullet that was eventually reduced.
These earlier Turk Mausers, as opposed to those made in the 30's, had a noticable v indentation on the bolt entry side of the rifle ring. Made for an easier load of what must have been slightly longer overall length caused by a longer bullet that was eventually reduced.
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This thread is great!
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The Enfield entered the war with a cutoff to save ammo and ended without it. It also started the war with a rod "Mills Bomb" grenade launcher and finished up with a cup grenade launcher that would launch a grenade about 200 yards. The rod version damaged the rifling in the barrel and didn't have a predictable a distance. I'm showing a 1904 Enfield #1 MkIII with the cutoff and a 1914 model made as a wire wrap mills bomb launcher and without the cutoff.
http://inert-ord.net/brit/mills/pg3.html#m
http://inert-ord.net/brit/mills/pg3.html#m
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Re: Since the WWI threads are really active. A look at the weapons
Actually, by the start of WWI the cut off was being used as a Safety Catch and not as a single round system.
I was not aware of this until I watched this video.
I highly recommend ALL the videos posted by Rob - britishmuzzleloaders - he is a great bloke and his presentations are superb.
He is a member on http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/ as I am.............
I was not aware of this until I watched this video.
I highly recommend ALL the videos posted by Rob - britishmuzzleloaders - he is a great bloke and his presentations are superb.
He is a member on http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/ as I am.............
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Re: Since the WWI threads are really active. A look at the weapons
Looks like the elimination of the magazine cut off came about in the updated MKIII* in 1916. Earlier versions with the slot were in some cases FTR'd to remove the cut off and left the slot. See Straton SMLE (No. 1) Rifles Mke 1 and Mk III.
I suspect the cut off when open for the magazine hung on things. Can you imagine ''going over the top" and banging the thing closed and then start shooting only to find a follow up shot was blocked by the damn thing closing off the magazine? Of course the whole single shot idea came down from the previous century when commanders were afraid of soldiers being wasteful of ammo and at the same time thought that it made the soldier take better aim.....also if a soldier from a defensive position needed to take occasional harassing pot shots he could get up and "charge" with a full magazine or have a full magazine if the enemy charged. Resupply on the battlefield was more difficult before trench warfare. After all, ammo supply trains didn't have to search for the troops. The firing line only moved a few hundred yards back and forth from one month to the next. And with the stripper clip it was as quick to reload as to move the single shot cut off back.
I suspect the cut off when open for the magazine hung on things. Can you imagine ''going over the top" and banging the thing closed and then start shooting only to find a follow up shot was blocked by the damn thing closing off the magazine? Of course the whole single shot idea came down from the previous century when commanders were afraid of soldiers being wasteful of ammo and at the same time thought that it made the soldier take better aim.....also if a soldier from a defensive position needed to take occasional harassing pot shots he could get up and "charge" with a full magazine or have a full magazine if the enemy charged. Resupply on the battlefield was more difficult before trench warfare. After all, ammo supply trains didn't have to search for the troops. The firing line only moved a few hundred yards back and forth from one month to the next. And with the stripper clip it was as quick to reload as to move the single shot cut off back.
Re: Since the WWI threads are really active. A look at the weapons
Two handguns. One is on the scrap heap of time and taken seriously only as a collectible curiosity. One is still being made, desired, and sold today. One is a 1895 Nagant that fires an odd and obsolete round and the other is a US M1911 firing a 45 caliber acp round still popular today. The Nagant was a wheel gun with no safety and slow loading side gate. The M1911 had a grip safety and a half cock safety and could be carried safely with a round in the chamber. It used a detachable magazine and you could carry more than one loaded magazine. The Nagant was double action and the Colt had to be brought to full cock on the first round. The 1911 fired a bigger man stopping round and seemed far more accurate to most shooters.
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I have a 1914 Nagant pistol and it is truly an odd duck. Besides what Robert mentioned, they are
a 7 round pistol, and when the hammer goes back, the cylinder moves forward and seals around the
rear of the barrel. The bullet is entirely inside the brass case. It's one of the few revolvers that a silencer
actually works on. There are those that say they were used by Soviet secret police to do quiet executions.
Surplus ammo works well, but the modern ammo is very weak, like shooting a .22 pistol......... almost.
Also have a .45 auto but it isn't a real one, a Llama Spanish wannabe, I can't afford a real one.....
Photo shows a surplus and a modern round.
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a 7 round pistol, and when the hammer goes back, the cylinder moves forward and seals around the
rear of the barrel. The bullet is entirely inside the brass case. It's one of the few revolvers that a silencer
actually works on. There are those that say they were used by Soviet secret police to do quiet executions.
Surplus ammo works well, but the modern ammo is very weak, like shooting a .22 pistol......... almost.
Also have a .45 auto but it isn't a real one, a Llama Spanish wannabe, I can't afford a real one.....
Photo shows a surplus and a modern round.
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Peace is that brief, quiet moment in history.......... when everybody stands around reloading.
Re: Since the WWI threads are really active. A look at the weapons
I understand that this one stayed in service until the end of WW2.
Dutch Model 1873 (New Model)
Dutch Model 1873 (New Model)
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Very very nice Peter, must be a real bummer not being able to shoot them, though
Duncan
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -- W.C. Fields
"Many of those who enjoy freedom know little of its price."
You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something.