A Good Swiss Fort Site

The country that avoids war and the country that fights but has a hard time winning have been combined. The Swiss made some excellent firearms and the French made some unique and occaisonally inspiring ones.

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A Good Swiss Fort Site

Postby LoLo25643 » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:20 pm

Here's a good link that I can lose track of time in a hurry browsing through. Just thought I would put it up if your interested in this part of Swiss collecting and history.

[url]http://www.fortlitroz.ch/index.php?p=0[/url]
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Postby Guisan » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:00 pm

Yup that's an interesting site, a pity that they won't let you copy any pics there. They don't seem to be willing in cooperating spreading knowledge.

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Postby LoLo25643 » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:24 pm

Yeah that was my only dissapointment. Plenty of links to keep you occupied though. Old forts have always interested me since I was a kid. Just to the south of me their are plenty of old coastal defence locations guarding the bays on the gulf. Some of them were in use since the early 1800's and were utilized up through WW2. I'd love to have the chance one day to visit a couple of these in the CH.
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Postby Guisan » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:14 am

Well here some more Swiss links to do your research before you go.. ;)

http://www.schweizer-festungen.ch/links.htm

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NOT THAT I AM ADVOCATING THIS YOU UNDERSTAND

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:33 am

You COULD:-

Open an Image

Press 'PRINT SCREEN'

Open a blank page/screen in some photo software such as Photoshop

Paste the image onto it

Crop the image

Manipulate it

Save it.

Not that I would ever do this myself of course but it could be acceptable for, say, a paper on Swiss Forts that was part of a research project :roll: :roll:
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Postby Guisan » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:53 am

Well I know that way also but it should not be necessary, the pics are no art works, they simply show items from musea and other collections. I've put over 4k of pics online myself and never made a problem of people using them, I do find my pics everywhere on the web posted by others even here at this forum, it's a good way to spread knowledge about the subjects. People should be able to file them so they can compare when they find things.

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YOU ARE PARTLY RIGHT GUISAN BUT..............

Postby DuncaninFrance » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:41 pm

.........not everyone thinks that way. As a semi-pro photographer myself my copyright is important to me. I certainly wouldn't want my images to be used by any Tom, Dick or Harry so they could earn money from my work. Control of images has become a problem with the advent of the internet and digital photography. If authors are happy to have their images used without control then that is fine but I don't condemn any one who is not happy to allow their images to be used by anyone without their permission - they do belong to them and they have every right to control them. :cool:
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Postby Guisan » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:03 am

Well I agree if they are any special pics but on the other hand who are we to consider pics taken with permission in a public museum to be personal property with copyright restrictions ?

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THATS THE WAY IT IS .......

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:52 am

Copyright belongs to the author, it's up to him how he controls it. Now if you paid the photographer for the job and agreed the copyright ownership in a contract before they start that is a different matter.

Some people are generous with their rights and others are not. C'est la vie :cry:
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Postby Guisan » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:32 am

Yup I know what the copyright laws say but that does not mean that I always agree with them ;)

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What about the internet and copyright?

Postby Niner » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:39 am

I got another site. It's about a particular infantry battalion that served in Vietnam. A number of guys sent in photos of their time there and the photos were put in albums by company and under the names of those who sent them and shown at my site. Also all photos were sent, with the contributors name, to the National Infantry Museum at FT. Benning. This was made clear to the contributors up front and any that didn't want me to do this could say so....and none did.

Anyway... a former co-administrator at my site took the photos and gave them to a site that started up afterward. His comment was that if it was on the internet so it is up for grabs to anybody. I have also seen some of the photos at another site or two as well. Copyright, once something is shown on the internet, doesn't seem to exist anymore.

I tend to think veterans pictures should be seen. Particularly the ones from a war. More photographs than we will know are pitched out with the trash after vets die....or more often in past years...after divorces. I managed, by lucky contact, to save one deceased soldiers photos from taking that trip to the garbage can.

When I look at some of the photos I've been gifted for my site I feel like something important has been saved for generations yet to come....because they are out there in cyberspace to be seen and because, more importantly, the National Infantry Museum has them.

The album is here...if you want to take a look

http://www.6thofthe31st.com/gallery/
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SORRY GUYS BUT...........

Postby DuncaninFrance » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:29 pm

Copyright of an image is just that - no matter where it is placed; internet, paper, magazine , toilet wall - ANYWHERE!

Now - if the author wants to enforce their legal right to protect their image then that is their right. If they post that image on the net or anywhere else for that matter and DON'T make their case known then that image is fair game in my opinion.

Like it or not, that's how it works. If you can't copy an image because the author won't let you then so be it. If you don't like it - talk to the author!

If you are the author and you are happy for anyone to use your images then that is fine by me.

If I don't want anyone to use my images without paying me for them then the first thing that I do is I DON'T POST THEM ON THE INTERNET

:roll:

I have not entered images in many photographic competitions for that very reason. The people who run them include in the rules that temporary copyright of any entry passes to them if they wish to use it in publicity.

NO WAY!
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Postby RGRWJB » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:02 am

Duncan

Thats a great signature

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Postby DuncaninFrance » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:26 am

WC Fields HAS to be the hero for any married drinking man :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I love his films :razz:
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